Can I Buy You A Drink? Google Juice, Pointing, and Farms

I recently received a comment that asked:

I had heard that one way links to your site are better. That mutual linking decreases the Googlishiness of your site. I would like to hear more on your thinking about this.

There are 3 factors involved here. First, there’s a concept of “Google Juice”. This is probably the largest impact on your SEO.

The idea is that each page has some amount of value, called page rank. The rank is actually a value from zero to ten, with the highest being a higher rank. Let’s say that the page rank is the amount of Google Juice that page has.

Be very clear that this is not exact, but I’m describing concepts and relationships, not mathematical algorithms. It’s the relationships and proportions that we’re dealing with.

Google Juice, since 1996

Google Juice, since 1996

Each link from that page to an external page, a page on someone else’s site, sends off a little Google Juice with it. It’s like a vote of confidence for that other page. The amount of juice it sends (WARNING! Math ahead!) is equal to the total amount of juice divided by the number of links.

Imagine a bucket (your page) and it has a bunch of tubes coming out of the bottom of it (your links). They fill up other buckets (other sites). The more tubes you have, the less juice each one gets. The more tubes from other buckets filling up your bucket, the more juice you have.

If you imagine a bucket that is filling another bucket, but that other bucket is then filling your bucket, your head might explode, so don’t think about that image.

If you have a page rank worth 5 and you have 5 external links, each links is worth 1. If you also have a menu with 5 internal links, then each link is worth a half. Those 5 internal links are to yourself, so you’re passing yourself 2.5 and you’re passing the external sites 2.5, each link getting a half and there’s 5 of them, so 5 times a half is 2.5. Still with me?

Let’s take a quick TV break. I interviewed Coach from Survivor today. He’s a great interview. He likes Jerri, thinks she’s a great girl, but he can’t talk to her by contract, until the actual finale of the show when the winner is revealed. He’s planning on talking to her then and when asked about a relationship, said “we’ll see”.

And we’re back, our minds cleared from all that math.

Considering only Google juice, yes, it’s best to have all the links in the world pointing at your site and no links from your site to anywhere else.

There’s another factor they consider along with Google juice. They consider the pages that you link to. You actually get credit for linking to high page rank, related pages. If you set up a brand new site, with no page rank, and linked to a bunch of sites that all related to your keyword, they figure that your site must be about that keyword. This won’t get you as much credit as Google juice, but it counts.

Considering that factor, it is good to link to related sites. With this factor, I’d say that it’s good to link back and forth between (related keyword) sites.

The last factor to consider is that they are looking for artificial “link farms”. If you just set up sites for the purpose of driving traffic, creating links, trying to push the limits of decency, they’ll ban you and you’ll drop out of the index faster than something that goes really fast.

With all three of these factors considered, it looks like it’s OK to link back and forth between sites, but not too much. As always, if you are natural about it, it works fine. If you go over the top, it’s not good.

5 Responses to Can I Buy You A Drink? Google Juice, Pointing, and Farms

  1. Michael says:

    Thanks Conrad,

    It sounds that linking to big juice sites will give your site a bit of a push. Not as good as the big juicy site linking to you, but it does build relevance.

    Again, it sounds like if you link your bucket to another bucket that is linked to your bucket, well your head explodes. I get that we want to pay attention to where our links come from, and it is good to have, especially from relevant sites. I’m still not convinced that linking to a site that is linked to me does much for me in terms of googlishiness.
    Having another site link to me means I am relevant and I would keep more the google juice. If I link it back out to where it came from it seems like when matter and anti-matter collide, they cancel each other out.

    Maybe I am still not quite grokking. Thanks again for the article!
    Michael

    • It’s true that two sites of equal value linking to each other will pass the same amount of Google juice, but they don’t cancel each other out to zero. It also increases the number of incoming links to each site.

  2. Michael says:

    However, if I follow your advice about creating a blog on wp.com that has as its name the keywords I want to be search on, and I link that badboy to the web page I want to drive traffic to. Won’t it still make more sense for it to be a one way link from wp.com site to the site I want traffic driven to? That way I keep a little more google juice on that site.

    ciao
    Michael

    • You get juice just for linking. If two equal pages link to each other, they both get a little benefit, just by linking. The juice passed is based on the page rank of the page, so it they are equal, they pass equal juice. If they are unequal, they pass proportional amounts of juice.

      The trick is the by passing juice from the first to the second, you bump the page rank of the second. Passing juice from the second is now more valuable, so passing juice back is more valuable. As it’s passed back and forth, everything increases in value. That increase is not from the juice itself, but in the act of linking, a secondary factor.

      Does that make sense?

  3. So let me see if I have this right…If we manage our “juice” properly we’ll make a great “punch”. I’m grokking you Conrad! Thanks so much~ Johanna

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